Showing posts with label transcreation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label transcreation. Show all posts

Monday, March 17, 2025

Someone came close by / Koi paas aaya sawEre sawEre | Jagjith Singh / Saeed Rahi

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Lyricist:  Saeed Raahi
Composer / Singer: Jagajit Singh
Album: Come Alive LP  (1979)

Raag: Lalit / Lalat / LalaaT
Taal :  ೫ 5-Syll. Jazz beats / Sulfak Taal
/ 5x2=10 Syllables Morphed-Jhaap Taa
l

(See:  A 'wild' improvisation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ariXkdS7heY
Or with Pt Zhakir Hussain, Hariprasad Chaurasiya :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxF8qAFUrTQ )

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Original Lyrics
(plus a Kannada Translation) : 
'ಬಳಿಬಂದರಾರೋ ಬೆಳ್ಳಂಬೆಳಗ್ಗೆ" 
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someone came close by
wee in the morning
they enthralled me by
wee in the morning

twisting my own tale by just a wee bit, they
played it back to me by wee in the morning

till the last dusk that I kept telling: control! hold on!!
just there I lost at it,  fumbling, weeping, mourning

that my whole night was spent in the tavern
to my thoughts, god occurred by, wee, in the morning

candlewick that kept us lit all through the last night
indeed it kindled away by the wee tearing morning



Sunday, March 16, 2025

any more

To
      me?
now
a memory
you
asking
but
not asking
me
then
inaskable
anymore
is
remembrance
unfortunate
to
    you
not
to forget
know, I know
any further.


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Base: yadBhavam...

Thursday, March 13, 2025

Bhootha | The Buried | GK Adiga | AK Ramanujan | Durahankari

GK Adiga's 'demon-past' haunts AK Ramanujan...
..from the darks of the nether-depths... into the grove of holy basil beyond...

In which, behold,  a Chicago University linguistics professor of a multi-faceted Kannada-Tamil-English dead poet's humble translation work in English, gets extensively modified (rather 'editoriated' / EXORcised) by a Kannada-medium village-bred faceless unhumble pedestrian indignant alive...

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" The ex / The Buried / The Spirit of the Tense Past "
(AKR-MGK's translation of GKA's 'Bhootha', but 
heavily edited / reworked by yours truly)


Here at haunting, the fetus-crypts of the tense-past:
the stale air of the abyss inside the pent old well
is crawling up, heads down, on all fours
leaping on the back of the lullabying sunbeam
is gushing even onto the canopy of the holy basil grove.
The corded umbilical discarded at the bank
the cut-mouse-tail writhes.
To me who gropes with eyes stuck in darkness
flashes, all of the sudden, a golden streak:
a squirming feather-burnt star--
somehow fallen into the new-moon-moats.


The past ghosts all over the Current Affairs.
One fold above the water, seven snow-capped peaks beneath; 
out of blue accidentally fire-speak spitting
snow cowered innocent volcano.
Fold up the paper if you will --

in the soundless skeleton rooms
dumb beckoning missing beats
the carnival of reversed feet.
In the waters stagnant in the inner depths
heaping spermatozoa beating their hands;
beneath the curtain-fall of the dais-noir, 
the speak-picking tail of glitter-point, - do these
not desire out-yard's colorful canopy of creepers and flowers?


No water and no shelter for the fathers and forefathers.
Shuttling tight through the high winds and rough tides
toughly, the lands though found, seldom could they obtain.
I know the tantra of exorcism, libation,
yet have forgotten the mantra herein;
just vacuously thus I am playing at waving the wand.
Gosh! trusting the high priests, west we went; 
at least now must one dig into the est. hermeneutics: 
the stemming of karma, the cantos of action.


As one digs, first a chrysalis of clay;
pushing the shovel deep and striking hard
one might glimpse the streaking ore of gold.
The alchemies of extraction, burning and decanting
one should learn a little, at least now;
the true craft of heating and beating the gold--
to cast it in the image of one’s own preferred god.


The water that rots in the well, steams well above;
all along the sky--its causal pathway;
the invisible seed of the void room of the overcast sky
the all-nine-months longing fetus-shape--
rumbling of liminal ghost, troubling of thunderclap--
rain is the news--
presentation for the past-form.
The plowed and seeded fields donning the laboring earth;
the garden of swinging fruits, paddy and wheat,
the golden pinnacles of the temple towers.



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For the originals, see:
https://ruthumana.com/2018/03/22/2-translations-a-k-ramanujan/




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See also: 

1) 'Emergent' -- a contemporary counterpoint to this buried 'Bhootha'.
0) 'Aavirbhootha'  -- the urgent counterpoint emergent in Kannada (with 2 epilogues).

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The Backword, background, premise, promise...:

ರಾಮಾನುಜನ್ನರಿಗೆ ಸಿಕ್ಕೂ ದಕ್ಕದ ಅಡಿಗರ ಭೂತ:

We read with intrigue, the English translation of Gopalakrishna Adiga's celebrated Kannada poem  "Bhootha", entitled '"Ghost and Past"', which is done by A.K. Ramanujan (AKR, with MG Krishnamurthy, apparently). We find it somewhat misconceived, especially on account of the 'tense' that is involved.

Simply put, Adiga's original is purpousfully anchored in the present (recall here, lines such as:  'ವರ್ತಮಾನ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಯ ತುಂಬ ಭೂತದ ಸುದ್ದಿ'), and, as such, most of this poem is in the present continuous tense, wherein the action is continuously undertaken.  However, for reasons not readily evident to us, AKR has translated those present continuous tense statements instead into a certain present-indefinite tense (a.k.a. simple present tense) statements, which makes them sound like rather timeless facts (while also sounding better style-appropriate). 

Originally, in 'Bhootha', 
Adiga, in present, thinks aloud regarding the 'spirit' in which the past is (not) to be taken, so as to realize the 'golden future' of his ideals.  In its initial portions, Adiga, utilizing dense metaphors  -- most of which are in the present-continuous tense --  describes the ways in which the 'past' is haunting him.  In the intermediate portions, he shifts to discuss the prospect of exorcising this ill-spirit of past. And then in the next portion, he talks about a rather positive spirit in which the past could be taken, ultimately arriving at the 'golden future'. All in all, the poet is situated in the present, and as such, most of his statements are in the present-continuous tense.

We must note here, to the best of what we have come across,  Adiga seems to be one of those poets who make very thoughtful choices of words and phrases --- those who carefully craft their statements. (recall, e.g.,anecdotes regarding him finalizing his famous line "ಸುಟ್ಟಲ್ಲದೇ ಮುಟ್ಟೆನೆಂಬುಡಾಫೆ." ). For such cases, it is not sufficient to think just factually by considering how a certain passage is worded, but also to think counter-factually by considering how else otherwise could it also have been worded (that the poet did not chose to do instead). Thus, the poet's omissions should also inform our readings inasmuch as their selections.   

For example, consider Adiga's opening lines: "ಕಾಡುತ್ತಿವೆ ಭೂತಕಾಲದ ಭ್ರೂಣಗೂಢಗಳು ''. It would rather sound more abstract, more general, and arguably more stylish if he would instead open either like "ಕಾಡುವವು ಭೂತಕಾಲದ ಭ್ರೂಣಗೂಢಗಳು", or even "ಕಾಡುತ್ತವೆ ಭೂತಕಾಲದ ಭ್ರೂಣಗೂಢಗಳು". But Adiga, resisting such temptations, chose not to go that way. Instead he prefers to resonate a continuous action via 'ಕಾಡುತ್ತಿವೆ...'. And he persists with the same tense throughout the stanza, ending it with "ಹಾಯುತ್ತಿದೆ  ತುಳಸಿವೃಂದಾವನದ ಹೊದರಿಗೂ". Highlight here must also be on his intentional usage of the almost explicit first-person forms (e.g., "
... ತಡಕುವ ನನಗೆ" / "To me who gropes...").

However, AKR-MGK, in their opening stanza of the translation,  have switched to the present-indefinite tense:  "Secret embryos of the demon-past haunt..." ans so on. And they persist with it, to end with "...and go beyond into the garden of the basil bush". 

(And lest we dig into the evident misconception of them in the same opening stanza. It was the 'stale air' that was gushing out into the holy grove for Adiga -- metaphorically. But, for AKR-MGK, it is literally the secret embryos themselves --" 'in' the stale air...'they' crawl up.. and gush out"..!  🙂‍↔️)

To us, summarily, this translation of AKR-MGK is inappropriate at least on two counts. 

Firstly, in his original 'Bhootha', that the poet Adiga is anchored precisely in the present, it is crucial for the very poem. After all, the poem itself is in parts a meditation on the tenses and times. It is all about the continuous actions in the present, while keeping in mind the pasts and the futures.  The structure here is meant to be shaped by a careful choice of tenses, so as to prove again that the form/structure itself is also the content/message of the construct. 

Secondly, and arguably, for Adiga, the haunting of the spirit of past is NOT a timeless fact that is aught to go on indefinitely. These spirits are haunting at the present for sure, but he intends to exorcise them in his very next stanzas. He laments to find a better way of engaging with the past, so that these spirits of past should no longer persist with the haunting business.

Further more, and more arguably, unnecessarily, some of the the originally glorious statements somehow have become rather underwhelming in AKR-MGK's translation. 
For example:  
"...and the rain is the present of past forms",
which, while intelligently brings in the dual meaning of the English term 'present' (i.e.,  gift, present-tense), still misses another important interpretation of the original kannada term '
ವರ್ತಮಾನ' (i.e., 'news').  That the "rain is news" (to the seeds buried) happens to be a celebrated motif of Adiga's poetry. "ಕಾದುಗಾರಾದ ನೆಲದೊಳಗಿರುವ ಬೀಜ" ಕ್ಕೆ ಗುಡುಗುಸಿಡಿಲು ಎಂಬವು ಮಳೆಯ ವರ್ತಮಾನವನ್ನು ನೀಡುತ್ತವೆ...

Thus, as we go through the choices that AKR-MGK make in their translation, we are tempted to  suitably modify it, at the least as an exercise. So, here we are, with this heavily modified translation. As thus, it is not an entirely from-the-scratch written original translation. And, let us emphasize it, it is done here just as an exercise, with no commercial interest whatsoever to infringe any copyright otherwise.  

We have also taken the opinion of certain LLMs like GPT, LLAMA etc
 on our translation. And lest we be triumphant, the feedbacks from LLMs over time have immensely boosted our ego! They are all mostly vindicating our translation--our choices of words and tense forms--over those of AKR etal!!!  And lest again we clarify, it seldom involves any original translation in it self by any LLM --every word and sentence in English in here is either from AKR or from yours truly highness, (except perhaps the choice of 'sunbeam' over 'sunlight shaft', thanks to Sumathindra Nadig's translation of 'Bhootha' that we encountered recently ). 


So, read-n-reread-n-joy, and critique!
And if time permits, ask chatgpt / duck.ai / any good LLM of your choice to compare it with the work of AKR et.al., as also with the GKA's original,  by suitably copypasting it all (including the premise above) into the mouth of your fav LLM...
 
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PS: Update: that we now have dubbed the 'Bootha' as "Ex -- The Buried" as well, hotstar (jio!) started showing us the advertisements for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burying_the_Ex . Despite your's truly reputed disdainful circumvention of ad trackers...  ಆಗೆದುತ್ತ ಭೂಮಿಕೆ ಎಗ್ಗಿಲ್ಲದ ದತ್ತಾಂಶ ಸಂಚಯನ / LLMs train over the under-legislated plowed data fields...!?   hmm... what can we say... the pretentious indefinite tense future's presents hum...

Friday, January 31, 2025

false self evident

truth - myth
real - surreal
surd -  absurd
dance all et al. 

truth 's birthless
truth births dead real
absurd surds very surreal
artificial artifacts so unreal
 
in superficial factual
articulate un truth
in mythical ritual
beauty full just art

brain is the truth
mind such a myth?
heart is pretty real
beats yet how unreal?

sowing acts mechanical 
births in fact actual
death for all but act-natural?
and how yet onto burial??
over and above, this regenesis crisis...


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original: https://neer-nirartha.blogspot.com/2012/01/blog-post_31.html





Saturday, January 4, 2025

UI -- what isn't therein between

UI
User Interface to Uppimaniasm
Homagic ode to his high anthem
-:ದಕ್ಷಿಣೆಯುತ್ತರ:-



what does not lie
what does not lie
between U and I
what does not lie
does naught at all lie


not the truth
sembling lie

is not true
all that lies

lie's truth
where does it lie



the days pent
beneath they lie

in remembrance
nothing seems to lie

poles apart
pupils see to lie

backward to answer
dig what may belie
what may be lie



The heart has poured it all out,
yet here I hear you lie
The jasmine, the champak,
seldom would you bring them by
Oh dear, the match of black beads,
thou shalt get not to tie
thou shalt get knot to tie




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Original Song:



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Below are the original Kannada lyrics (as may be heard)
--along with a rather rough ' literal translation' in English


ಏನಿಲ್ಲ ಏನಿಲ್ಲ
ನಿನ್ನ ನನ್ನ ನಡುವೆ ಏನಿಲ್ಲ
ಏನೇನಿಲ್ಲ

What is not there?
(There isn't anything?)
What is not there!
(There isn't anything!)
Between you and me
what is not there
what all is not there(!/?)


ನಿಜದಂತಿರುವ ಸುಳ್ಳಲ್ಲ
ಸುಳ್ಳುಗಳೆಲ್ಲ ನಿಜವಲ್ಲ
ಸುಳ್ಳಿನ ನಿಜವು ಸುಳ್ಳಲ್ಲ

Not the truth-resembling lie
Not all the lies are true
Truth of lie is not lie

 
ಕಳೆದ ದಿನಗಳಲೇನೂ ಇಲ್ಲ
ನೆನಪುಗಳಲಿ ಏನೇನಿಲ್ಲ
ಉತ್ತರ, ದಕ್ಷಿಣ
ಸೇರಿಸೋದೆಂಬರೆ ನೀನಿಲ್ಲ
ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆಗೆ ಉತ್ತರ
ಹುಡುಕಿದರೆ ಏನೇನಿಲ್ಲ
ಕೆದಕಿದರೆ ಏನೇನಿಲ್ಲ

what/nothing is in the days-spent
what all is not there in memories
the north, the south
to join them, you are not (t)here
for the question, the answer
if it is searched, what all isn't there(?!)
if it is digged up, what all isn't there(?!)

 
ಮನಸಿನೊಳಗೆ ಖಾಲಿ ಖಾಲಿ
ನೀ ಮನದೊಳಗೆ ಇದ್ದರೂ
ಮಲ್ಲಿಗೆ ಸಂಪಿಗೆ
ತರದೆ ಹೋದರು ನೀ ನನಗೆ
ಓ ನಲ್ಲ ನೀನಲ್ಲ
ಕರಿಮಣಿ ಮಾಲೀಕ ನೀ
ನಲ್ಲ

in the heart, its just emptiness
even if you are there in the heart
the jasmine, the champak,
if you do not bring them for me
oh dear, you aren't,
the owner of the 'black bead' (mangalasuthra / thali),
aren't you
dear!


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Sunday, October 15, 2023

Bayesian verses Bay

credit: self



No! No! Don't...
onto this third track as it runs between
the two trains in opposite directions
as do they pause through this station
please, do not bring forth your own thoughts' train
ain't a platform for that illegitimate mean


You ask, why this pic, is my pick
That one fine dawn, was this click
and for best, it is its dark, deep symmetry
that it remains here for the keeps

And then you feel, it is all so formulaic,
heart rendered clueless, with so much of logic

To this with apologies, as often that I disclaim:
these over-verbalizations, these high-rhetorics,
the cliche that are these metaphors, similes...
these are at my own disdain
And seldom a poet that I am in my profession,
albeit, possessed I am, with these versations

This mere Bayesian by the bay
bears all that barges by the by
thence upon by a tsunami, is in this disarray
chances for a needle, in the vast hay
to call it an aberration, or is this the very anomaly
to update the priors, or just to cut short the tail...

..is the trial derailed? or yet just on trail??


Thus far as we could, we came, to now, that we blame:
logic, language, the very vocabulary of the inner flame
What remains of any reality, in void of the representations
Bayne's ballet for Fauré’s Requiem
or
abstract fluctuations in a quantum of vacuum


In summation, as we wind and rewind, consonance, did we mean
till again it all bifurcates, harmonic series, no constant mean

As the churning goes on and on
butter accumulates, but then, again, bygone


As the symmetry brakes into prakruti-purushan
time reverts to balance -- charge-parity violation




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:Backwaters:
1) ಅರ್ಥವನ್ನೋದು...
1) ವರ್ತನೆಯೊಳಾವರ್ತವರ್ತವರ್ತನಿಸಿ.. 
 
 
:Kannada Transgression: 

Sunday, July 30, 2023

el'phantom di camera

-:el'phantom di camera:-

:Trans-creating from:
 -: ಬೈಲಾನೆ ರೂಮರು / ನಿಶ್ಯಬ್ದ ಪ್ರಮಾಣ / ಆನೇ ಸೈಯPart-1 & Part-2  :-

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-:Prologue:-


"Thomp! Thomp!"


"Who's there?!"


"It's me! the tusker!!"


'ts what I thought!   'ts quite the banger!!

nom thom thomping on the inner door


*

The intermittent silence
resonant to the ambient
out cuts the evidence
to this very haunting chant
'ts me, soham, under the tranche.


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-:Catalogue:-

White-tusker, dark-chamber,
for sure, a blinder, is this blend.
The blind may yet set out to render,
the deafening trumpet is to defend.



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-:Interlogue:-

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"It is high(tea) time (so) that we 
address the (white) elephant in the rum(or)!"
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it is bylaw
that is the rumor
out and out here
the roomer
white tusker


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-:Enter & log:-


so much of a room
out in this plain;
without a beginning,
without any end;
and this ligand, such a legend,
that I hear, in my ear, as thus they say,
't all might just be the hearsay

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Where there is room, there ought to be the rumor,
whispering hall it all;
To track the roomer, suffices a huskier,
darkrooms highlight it all;
Behind the back, should the sledger bark,
the flaunting buttocks could care:
Fresh droppings are to just break the back
bone
tracker, beware!

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As the blind, out in void, would often find;
the external auditor would, in tern, remind;
white tuskers remain in plain, ledgers and ledgers behind;
just glimpses, partial are the worldviews, all eye mind...

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-:Epilogue:-


The elephant casually swings its trunk
as if just to make some room

'ts quite the big-bang, the atharva-head bang

re-verb: the cosmic boom

'ts the murmur, the transfinite tinnitung 
Shanti Shanti Om

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Friday, July 7, 2023

khora kagaz


a light breeze passes by,
shivers a branch, fell
a flower.
*
of the breeze, none;
nor of the flower;
whose fallacy it is!?
*
fragrance lost -
in the thin air,
nothing
lasts!?